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II Lucky Charm II · Jun 08, 2009, 01:13 PM // 13:13

I have seen posts on guru about getting banned for fame farming and I am concerned about the way Anet treat people. It seems to me that they do not follow the EULA 5% of the time or is it because they are unaware of the outdated list we, the players have agreed upon before we can play guild wars.

Has anyone gotten banned for reasons not mentioned in the EULA before?

Shayne Hawke · Jun 08, 2009, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Some people get banned for doing things, others don't. I believe that ANet has update their EULA recently on a number of points, so I wouldn't be surprised if certain people passed over those parts, didn't care, or missed the memo.

I'd say it's more a case of people getting banned for different reasons because their take on the EULA was not the same as ANet's.

vamp08 · Jun 08, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

People actually read the EULA?

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 08, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by vamp08

People actually read the EULA?

That be the problem, most probably don't.

immortius · Jun 08, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

This sort of thing should be in the rules of conduct rather than the EULA anyhow, so we don't have to wade through all the legal stuff to know what will get us banned.

oracle.delphi · Jun 08, 2009, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

I have seen posts on guru about getting banned for fame farming and I am concerned about the way Anet treat people. It seems to me that they do not follow the EULA 5% of the time or is it because they are unaware of the outdated list we, the players have agreed upon before we can play guild wars.

Has anyone gotten banned for reasons not mentioned in the EULA before?

doesn't the eula say that it is subject to change? ie...they find people doing something that isn't technically in the eula but maybe violates the spirit of it (or whatever) and thus change the eula to relfect that.

Earth · Jun 08, 2009, 02:59 PM // 14:59

IT was updated a while ago to include some new things, including fame farming.

Bob Slydell · Jun 08, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Earth

IT was updated a while ago to include some new things, including fame farming.

What exactly is fame farming? I've played recently but not enough to know what all this new stuff is...

Earth · Jun 08, 2009, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Fame farming is when someone pays another guy (someone who is good at HA) to farm fame. You pay per fame.

Generally this involves gimmicks that are easy to run.

I hope that was sort of clear, I am pretty tired...

Enon · Jun 08, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by vamp08

People actually read the EULA?

You don't have to read it as long as you got a decent amount of common sense. :-)

AmbientMelody · Jun 08, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

From what I know undermining sport and competition spirit of the game was always a bannable offense. On their place I would first ban 50k accounts for notorious rolling over hero battles and then forward a solution to stop it. Fame farming the same ... I guess it will hurt losing your shitty tiger or phoenix and will make you think twice before this ... of course 'fame buyer' would get his share of the ban too. Tbh, they should have been banning for this since beginning, the only flaw you can point out in this. I guess some of people thought they are untouchable with this silly business. Well, their problem.

HawkofStorms · Jun 08, 2009, 09:19 PM // 21:19

If you actually read the thread about fame farming, you'll see that Regina herself posted and explained he wasn't banned for fame farming, but for another violation entirely.

Furthermore, the umbrella clauses in the EULA where they say things along the lines of "we can cancel your account at any reason for any time" can be used to include anything. Violations don't have to be specifically listed. A.net has discretion. Heck, they could ban every 5th account "just because" and it would be perfectly legal.

AmbientMelody · Jun 08, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

If you actually read the thread about fame farming, you'll see that Regina herself posted and explained he wasn't banned for fame farming, but for another violation entirely.

Furthermore, the umbrella clauses in the EULA where they say things along the lines of "we can cancel your account at any reason for any time" can be used to include anything. Violations don't have to be specifically listed. A.net has discretion. Heck, they could ban every 5th account "just because" and it would be perfectly legal.

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

I have seen posts on guru about getting banned for fame farming and I am concerned about the way Anet treat people. It seems to me that they do not follow the EULA 5% of the time or is it because they are unaware of the outdated list we, the players have agreed upon before we can play guild wars.

Has anyone gotten banned for reasons not mentioned in the EULA before?

Read the bold. While what you say might be true it doesn't change the fact what thread creator wrote and my stand on this issue anyway. As for 'umbrella clause' it's in place to take immediate action when necessary, not to act like totalitarian regime in own online game and ban for this, this, that or 'without reason'.

Mordakai · Jun 08, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Can anyone prove they were banned for Fame farming?

fenix · Jun 08, 2009, 11:02 PM // 23:02

There are no confirmed bans for fame farming, because it doesn't break any rules. If there WERE people seemingly banned for it, it's likely that they were banned for other offenses (such as ebaying the gold to pay for fame). There aren't any rules against fame farming...because there's no need. It's not like they abuse glitches, or hack the game, they just take a bad player along in their gimmick, who generously pays for the opportunity to join them.

Gun Pierson · Jun 08, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Didn't the say that 'fame farming' was seen as ladder manipulation and against the eula? Just wondering.

To answer the thread title question: I play on a server, that's all I know mate.

fenix · Jun 08, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Fame farming doesn't exactly manipulate the ladder....

On the other hand, the GvG syncing resigning garbage WAS determined to be ladder manipulative and ban-worthy.

Bob Slydell · Jun 08, 2009, 11:30 PM // 23:30

It would be ridiculous to ban people for that, now that i know what it is. It's like saying, "Oh we see you've been playing the game and fame farming but without cheating, hacking or using glitches, banned anyway for the lulz"

FoxBat · Jun 08, 2009, 11:31 PM // 23:31

EULAs and/or your "right" not to be randomly banned are still a contested legal area. Basically whoever funds the better lawyers is right. Anet will ban for any excuse they want to invent, and at best you could maybe sue them for it, but most users won't.

Elephantaliste · Jun 08, 2009, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by Enon

You don't have to read it as long as you got a decent amount of common sense. :-)

Actually even if you read it, you need an incredible amount of common sense to understand that you gonna get banned because you char name is an dirty word in the 3rd patois of the last of mohicans